Minor or Bobcat or National 8M Torch Opinions

Hi, I'm looking for opinions or three torches...I orginally was leaning towards a Minor. Now I see in my price range a Bobcat and the National 8M with surface mix tips. I want to make beads mainly with soft glass to start out, but who knows if I won't go into Boro or other hard glass applications later.
So...any opinions???
Sheri

* Hands down the Bobcat. If you can step up to the triple mix... do it! Will the others work- Yes. Will you be totally happy you went with GTT- yeperz. I have several torches and nothing compares to the GTT line. I'm drooling over the Delta right now. I'll have one by the end of the month. I just need to sell my other two bench torches first. Swap shop here I come- LOL
I had a national 8m and hated it. It was worthless for boro. The flame was just ugly to look at. No even heating at all. You can almost hear angels singing when you see the GTT flame. It's beautiful!
OK, I'm done-
:D

* The mini-CC is also a fine torch if you have two concentrators or oxy tanks.
I have one, I love it. It replaced my Bobcat, which was ALSO a fine torch, but the mini-cc puts out a bit more heat, and has a more radiant heat flame that I like for more sculptural stuff. It also melts boro faster than the Bobcat.
Michelle

* Ok, showing my newbie-ness...mini CC. Who puts that out? How much do they go for?

* Ok, showing my newbie-ness...mini CC. Who puts that out? How much do they go for?
Go to the Arrow Springs website - the mini CC is on sale for $125.00. Deb Crowley wrote a commentary on the mini CC - do a search on torches, it should come up. She does sculpturals (fish, dragons, etc) and she really likes the torch. I'm tempted to get one at such a low price!
I have a minor - it puts out a good flame for soft glass. It's flame is much better and melts boro much better if you're on tanked oxy instead of a concentrator. I use two oxy cons and can melt boro on my minor but it goes slower than it would on tanked. I'm very happy with the minor - it's a good workhorse torch.
I learned and rented torch time on a Bobcat - good torch too. At that point in my learning, I didn't used the extra oxy knob to adjust the flame - I just didn't know how. So I didn't use the torch to its full potential.
Good luck in your search!
Cindy

* Here's the link to Deb's thread:
And for good measure, here a few other links to torch discussions:
Good luck!
Cindy

* Hi, I'm looking for opinions or three torches...I orginally was leaning towards a Minor. Now I see in my price range a Bobcat and the National 8M with surface mix tips. I want to make beads mainly with soft glass to start out, but who knows if I won't go into Boro or other hard glass applications later.
So...any opinions???
Sheri For your own safety get a torch that does not get a hot barrel after long use. Be able to rest your hand on the barrel to steady your stringer work. There is only one group of torches that allow you to do this and they are GTT. A bobcat will run off of a concentrator, the larger ones should have more oxygen pressure. Also for the amount of gas and oxygen that they use they are the hottest and most efficient torches available.
Good luck,
Kurt :)

* I LOVE my National 8M!! I can switch tips, even tho I am still using a surface-mix set up. This torch has a ball & socket adjustment at the top, so I can tilt or point it in any direction, and also raise/lower the height. As I am (as my DH puts it) vertically challenged, this feature is great. I don't think any of the GTT torches(but some may) have this feature, although the high-end CC torches do.
Just think- right now I don't want to handle anything bigger than a 7-port tip. But when I am ready, I can switch to pre-mix or a bigger surface-mix tip. Also, an additional smaller torch to mount on top is less than a hundred bucks. When I am ready, I can do that easily too. :clap:

* I have the 8M. I have tried a minor at the local glass shop and I much prefer my 8M. I went from the hothead to the 8M as someday I may want to mess around with some boro and with the larger tip I am supposed to be able to do that. The torch came with the 7 tip and I ordered the 21 tip. THAT is a huge flame! So far I am happy with mine and until I read this post I didn't even realize that you could order another torch to mount on top of it! I hear that the Lynx is great too but since this one is paid for :D I will stick with it for now! Right now I'm using all soft glass so I reserve the right to change my mind in the future! LOL Oh, I have a marver pad mounted on top of mine right now, I use it all the time and the torch does swivel which is a great feature! Everything does get hot after awhile so I wouldn't rest my hand against it but it makes a great place to warm up murrine and such!

* I love my 8M. It is hotter than a minor. I can run it on one or two concentrators. Do both ways. Have the extra stuff for boro if I ever want to go that way. Also have a Lynx and am going to switch the 8M to one concentrator and put the Lynx on two. Justin La Clair was so kind and is sending me a concentrator that will be a 7 instead of the usual 5. Can't wait to try it. Thanks Justin for your kindness. Peg M

* Another torch to consider is the Bethlehem Piranha. It can get flames from 2mm up to 15mm, work soft glass and boro, and has great atmosphere control.
My opinions on torches are from top (best) to bottom (worse):
GTT Lynx
Bethlehem Piranha
GTT Bobcat
Nortel Minor/Carlisle Mini CC/National 8m (tied)

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