liquid stringer?

I have been playing with Brad's liquid stringer recipe - can only get the glass lines (using black bullseye powder) to come out grey and scummy - what temp do they need to go to - I only went up to 750 - wasn't it hot enough to burn out the cmc gel?

* Are you sure the problem isn't not having enough glass in the mix? When mine look scummy that's usually the trouble?

* ive tried to use cmc,,,and i get the scummy look as well,,,,maybe im not using enough glass,,,,thanks for the tip,,rodney

* I have used the Liquid Stringer Medium with Spectrum System 96 black powder and did a full fuse on it, because I had some larger frit that I wanted to fuse with the glass. I have done this one two different pieces and they came out nice and black.
I try to put as much powder in the mixture as I can, while still allowing it to come out of the bottle.
Christine

* Brad's recipe is not very close to the real thing.... Fuse Master Liquid Stringer Medium is clean burning, slow drying (that's a good thing), easy to clean up with water and you can carve it.

* Brad's recipe is not very close to the real thing.... Fuse Master Liquid Stringer Medium is clean burning, slow drying (that's a good thing), easy to clean up with water and you can carve it.
Dunno--I can't say about the Liquid Stringer stuff because I haven't tried it--I follow Richard LaLonde's (it's in the archives), which I think is the original. It works just fine--no burnout problems, the drying time is slow enough that I can shape it by hand if I've a mind to, and it carves just fine, particularly if I mix it with powder.
I heat mine to regular fusing or tack temperatures depending on what I want to do, no different from anything else. Haven't specifically seen any scumming problems, but you do need to make sure you've got enough glass in the mix. Only time I've ever had trouble is when I've let it sit too long (it gets moldy).

* I don't have a recipe for liquid stringer, Gil, so I'm not sure how you can claim that it's "not very close to the real thing."
I have published Richard LaLonde's recipe for "Liquid Glass" medium. This is available both in the archives of this board and on the Warm Tips site at:
Richard LaLonde's recipe was published with his permission and by his request, and with full credit given to him. I believe that Richard's recipe is "the real thing"; after all, it has been in use for decades, while the Liquid Stringer product is a relative newcomer.

* I don't have a recipe for liquid stringer, Gil, so I'm not sure how you can claim that it's "not very close to the real thing."
I have published Richard LaLonde's recipe for "Liquid Glass" medium. This is available both in the archives of this board and on the Warm Tips site at:
Richard LaLonde's recipe was published with his permission and by his request, and with full credit given to him. I believe that Richard's recipe is "the real thing"; after all, it has been in use for decades, while the Liquid Stringer product is a relative newcomer.
And Brad is not posting on other boards that his LS is the "real thing" and that people should beware of LS that isn't the "real thing". What people should beware of is paying ridiculously inflated prices for a relatively inexpensive product.

* It appears it is time for this to be posted again:
Make Your Own "Liquid Glass" Medium !!!!
Why pay $19.95 for a half pint when you can make a gallon for $4 ??
Go to a ceramic supply place like Seattle Pottery Supply and purchase a 1 pound bag of CMC, (carboxy methyl cellulose). This product has been used by the ceramic industry for decades and is found as an added ingredient to control viscosity in the food industry.
Bring water to a boil and then pour 1 pint of this very hot water into a heat proof container and put 4 -5 heaping tablespoons of powdered CMC into it and stir for about 30 seconds. (Note: you will have to experiment with the amount of CMC added because I have found that the amount needed differs between CMC manufactures. Some I have purchased comes in flakes and some is more granular). Mash the lumps a bit but there will be some undissolved chunks that don't seem to want to break down. After it cools and sits, say overnight, then it will be clear and gel like and the chunks dissolved. It is like a good cup of coffee. I prefer to make it thicker rather than thinner. You can thin it with water, but you can make it thicker once it is too thin, you have to start over again.
I take Bullseye 08 (super fine ) frit and mix with this medium and put it into a squeeze bottle. I squeeze out a "liquid glass" line. The CMC burns off clean. You will have to experiment with the amount of medium to the amount of frit. There are many techniques that you can develop with this CMC medium. If it is too thin it will flow. If it is to thick it is very hard to get out of the bottle, but works nicely with a pallet knife. Experiment to get the right proportions and you can lay a nice even round line onto a piece of glass. Fuse to stick will produce a dimensional line and of course full fuse will make it flat.
I have gone beyond the simple idea of squinting a simple "art mark" onto glass, firing it and calling that "art". I have been teaching classes for years. You can check out my workshops on my web page, They usually fill up and the next one available is in October. You can see my squirt bottle in action and you can see my use of this medium which I "discovered" (not "invented" or "patented") in the early 1980's and the techniques that I have developed.
As to the name "liquid glass". That term was coined to describe my technique by Bill Ayers years ago.
Recently, on the glass board there has been discussion about my techniques and also the "idea of community" which didn't include anything about integrity, honesty, and acknowledgement. I will continue my discussion about this at Spab's Place.

* I still personally prefer using the Pate de Verre medium for my LS needs. I have also used wiring pulling gel which is cheap and found at any of the box stores.
About anything that holds the glass powder in suspension and burns off will work although I haven't tried Jello yet.
I mix about nearly equal quanities of powder and medium together and get nice dark lines. You can even use hair gel but if you use scented gels - you will hate being in your studio for at least a week!
The homemade CMC is good and cheap but I do have to say, the prepacked stuff is very nice too and convenient for my needs.
I hope this doesn't reopen the can of worms Brad!

* This is the recipe that I was talking about--Richard's. Works great but it takes a great deal more powdered glass than you'd think to get a good, solid line, so if a black mix is producing scumming I'd guess it's because there's too little glass in the mix.
BTW, Richard's comment that CMC varies from manufacturer to manufacturer is dead on. I bought a bag of CMC from Georgies, 1/2 pound for $7.75 (and that gives you maybe a cup and a half of powder the consistency of fine cornmeal). If I put 4-5 tablespoons of THAT into a pint of boiling water it'll be so thick I can't get a spoon in it--I need more than a quart of water to dilute it to the consistency of thick jello.
BTW, does the mix have a shelf life? I'm noticing that it gets a lot runnier after a couple of weeks--is it breaking down or am I hallucinating?

* BTW, does the mix have a shelf life? I'm noticing that it gets a lot runnier after a couple of weeks--is it breaking down or am I hallucinating? [/quote]
I had some set aside/misplaced and when I finally ran across it a week or two later it'd turned moldy--can't remember the color, just dark and ugly.
-will

* Please can anyone tell me where to look for the squeezable bottles with the long pointy neck . I can't seem to find them so far. Tried a "pressed casting" freeze and fire style using gum arabic as the binder I haven't fired it yet so I don't know if it will leave a residue or not. Janet

* I added some clorox bleach - no mold and still the same color (1yr).

* One of those would probably work. With CMC, though, I usually mix up the glass paste and put it through a plastic pastry bag. Lots of different tips for application, and it's very easy to clean out when you're done.

* Janet, Try
They've got some... you have to open an account, tho. They are in Cocoa, Fl.
Thanks for reminding me, I need to get some more
!!

* Janet, as another option, if you happen to have a beautyy supply place close by, I have gotten bottles from Sally's Beauty supply....the kind used for applying hair color...they're squeezable and have a thin long tip. They're probably cheaper on-line, but if you want one quicker....
However, I found that using a disposable pastry bag is much easier for me...it's easier to grip and sqeeze. A #1 tip gives a nice fine line.
I've had the "goop" mixed for awhile and it hasn't molded yet, but it's basically "refrigerated" most of the time as my "studio" is a shed that's only heated when I'm in it.
Nicole

* Janet, Try the good folks at Tri-Line Glass in Victoria 250-384-8698. They had small dispenser bottles with colour glass paint in them. Otherwise get some ketchup squeeze bottles or mustard bottles. Eat lots of hot dogs so you can use the bottles. Just don't keep them in the fridge.

* National Art Craft has them in the 2 oz size.
Tony

* Wal-Mart has them in the kitchen utensils section. I think mine were 0.59, but certainly less than a buck. The ones I found were clear in color, had the pointy nozzle and a snap-off cap for the nozzle.

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