Buying and using fused glass paints?

Hi folks,
I am new to fusing glass but have had some nice results. I tried to get artistic with powdered glass but the results looked like a third grader's painting. I would like to try real paint with the fused glass. Am I right that paradise paint is the best choice? Where do I purchase it? I cannot seem to find a location on the internet. Any suggestions to using it?
thank you
Ron

* There is a lot of debate about what might be the best material to use for painting. I use Paradise paints for screen printing and they work very well.
Lots of information about paints and enamels in the FAQ below.


* Paradise Paints aren't the best choice per se...it is dependent upon what results you are shooting for, how you like to work...
I can tell you that I am a big fan, and why.
I like them because they paint like oil paints. Color theory applies here whereas with some of the other enamels, chemistry (reactions between salts) prevents you from mixing your own pigments successfully. With the Paradise paints, yellow and red does make orange. With many of the other offerings, if you want orange, you have to buy orange, if you want a particular shade of violet, you have to buy it...
PP comes in a set of (as close as you can get) true primary colors with additions of brown, black, tone and tint whites and a green. that's it. No violet, no pansy pink or titian red, you mix the colors you want. For some, who aren't interested in mixing their own colors...this is not a good setup. For others who do, this is great because it's cost effective and you get the color you want, not limited to the ones they offer.
It's full of lead, so it isn't for food bearing surfaces. It comes already mixed with a pine oil medium, which is very stinky, but very buttery to work with. You can also purchase the pigments dry and mix with your medium of choice, so if you prefer a water based medium, you could go this route. It's also an opaque paint. No transparency at all...so if you need transparent paints, these aren't for you.
Pros...an affordable and limited pallete that allows you to mix your own colors. Color theory can be applied, buttery and lovely to work with. Good painterly results.
Cons...lead bearing, opaque only and limited pallete.

* thanks folks,
I'll give them a try
ron

* There is a good alternative to Paradise paints, which is the Ferro Sunshine series. The sunshine series has 19 mixable colors which is a wider palette than Paradise, and while they have some lead and cadmium in them, if they are applied and fired properly the lead and cadmium release levels should be well under govt standards.
What makes Paradise paints behave the way they do, relative to painting, is the oil based medium, which is Ferro #175 medium. This medium allows for the most pigment to be incorporated in to the medium of any available medium. The down side is that it stinks. You can buy this medium when purchasing Sunshine series enamels and get the same effect.
Personally I prefer working with medium #1544 which is a very slow drying water miscable medium. The slow drying properties allow for blending of colors on the glass you are painting. To get some "green strength" you can dry it in a kiln or oven and continue working.
I recently learned that water miscable means that it can be cleaned up with water but is not designed to be thinned with water. On the other hand I often thin it with water. It depends on the look you are going after.

* What do you think Scott Chaseling or KeKe Cribbs use for their painting? If you were to guess which one. I would really like add some painting to my pieces. When I tried the Paradise Paints at the WGII weekend it felt like painting with glue. Is that what your are referring to Bert?
Lesley

* Lesley
I teach painting on glass for painters in other media. It is my experience that one can adapt many painting styles to work on glass. For the most part I use the water miscable mediums, but all the possible mediums have effects that are unique to them.
You can thin down the Paradise paints with various solvents like turps or paint thinner or luster essence. They would be less "gluey". I had a nice conversation with David Hopper who markets the Paradise paints. He makes them thick and with the pine oil medium so that glass blowers can apply them quite thickly and then blow out the glass. You can thin them to a good working consistency yourself.

* Lesley,
If you buy the PP already mixed with pine oil, get an extra bottle of it to thin with and get the creamy consistancy you'll want. I imagine the same holds true for the powdered variety that you mix with your medium of choice - and another thing - set them on a warm surface for a bit. Here in AZ you can warm them in the sunshine and they go on better. I'll bet the same is true for you in FL.
All my best,
Jackie

* Thanks, Bert and Jackie
I think I will give PP another shot.
We definitly have the sunshine....no question. I just have to catch it between our daily showers...oops here comes one now!
Thanks,
Lesley

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